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Guest · #5601

Some of you are starting to sound like Manousos. Yes, the hived people very clearly need to be freed but they are still there, just trapped and deserve empathy even as they are, because it’s not them who are the enemy responsible for what’s happening.

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Guest · #5603

congrats!

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Guest · #5605

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Today, 07:29

More heartbreaking moments in this episode than domestic moments in episode 8. And they leave us like that.

Guest · #5606

Why did she think Zosia had real feelings for her?

Guest · #5607

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Today, 07:10
Calling it now. This show is going to end with ambivalence as to whether Zosia is unhived or not (kinda like the ending to Blade Runner with the paper plane and Inception's spinning totem), with Zosia acting like she's been unhived then saying her signature line "Fun fact, blah blah" and Carol goes 'hmm' then screen goes black.

I’d like that!

Guest · #5608

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Calling it now. This show is going to end with ambivalence as to whether Zosia is unhived or not (kinda like the ending to Blade Runner with the paper plane and Inception's spinning totem), with Zosia acting like she's been unhived then saying her signature line "Fun fact, blah blah" and Carol goes 'hmm' then screen goes black.
I’d like that!

Would hate that, zero real pay-off and leaving us to imagine things instead of showing them, torment throughout the whole series to deprive us of the potential earned happiness.

And not only that, but a lot of interesting development that should be showed on screen.

It would work as a season 2 finale though.

Guest · #5609

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Today, 07:11
Some of you are starting to sound like Manousos. Yes, the hived people very clearly need to be freed but they are still there, just trapped and deserve empathy even as they are, because it’s not them who are the enemy responsible for what’s happening.

x2 They are still there (even Manousos realized this after a long talk with the hive).

Obviously, Zosia was the person who felt the massage, no one else would send this information to the hive if not herself. The only distinction between her and Carol is that the hive knows how the massage felt.

The person is brainwashed, and their consciousness is trapped.

Guest · #5610

I haven’t page catch yet, so sorry if this has already been discussed. Could someone explain what Manousus was doing to free that guy from the hive, and why did he put the radio on the guy’s hand?

Guest · #5611

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Today, 07:49

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Today, 07:29

More heartbreaking moments in this episode than domestic moments in episode 8. And they leave us like that.

Because she had

diotima1 · #5612

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Today, 07:15

Super, well deserved!

Guest · #5613

Feel free to ignore the sentiment, I just wanted to ask if anyone knows in which Rhea interview she says that about Karolina’s acting? If she actually does.

Guest · #5614

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I haven’t page catch yet, so sorry if this has already been discussed. Could someone explain what Manousus was doing to free that guy from the hive, and why did he put the radio on the guy’s hand?

I think he notices how the frequency emitted changes from when the hived person is in his normal state and when he is in the shaking state. It's as if the signal is distripted when they're put in that state, so he thinks that might lead to being able to bring them back, or that anyway that distruption is somehow key for that, and it does make sense. It's something solid to start to work from!

diotima1 · #5615

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Today, 10:03

Feel free to ignore the sentiment, I just wanted to ask if anyone knows in which Rhea interview she says that about Karolina’s acting? If she actually does.

I think it can be possible that their feelings for Carol come from love but their actions towards turning her into them contradicts them.

Guest · #5616

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Today, 10:17

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Today, 10:03

Feel free to ignore the sentiment, I just wanted to ask if anyone knows in which Rhea interview she says that about Karolina’s acting? If she actually does.
I think it can be possible that their feelings for Carol come from love but their actions towards turning her into them contradicts them.

My take is that their idea of love might be different from ours.
To them it's peak love to want for Carol and the other immunes to join them and experience that overwhelming joy.
Nothing could be more an expression of love than that, and in their (only) mind, it's not selfish at all, since it considers the happiness of the immune first and foremost. It does not, consider, that the immune might prefer staying themselves over joining them EVEN if they know 100% that they'd really be happier if they joined.
So they consider their happiness (let's say it's true they really feel happier once joined), but they don't consider their will, or their desires as important, which obviously is a big issue when we think about what love is. It's more than just wanting someone to be happy. Respecting their individuality, their will and desires, is part of that love (ideally at least...)
I think there's a major mismatch there, yeah

diotima1 · #5617

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diotima1 wrote: ↑
Today, 10:17

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Today, 10:03

Feel free to ignore the sentiment, I just wanted to ask if anyone knows in which Rhea interview she says that about Karolina’s acting? If she actually does.
I think it can be possible that their feelings for Carol come from love but their actions towards turning her into them contradicts them.
My take is that their idea of love might be different from ours.
To them it's peak love to want for Carol and the other immunes to join them and experience that overwhelming joy.
Nothing could be more an expression of love than that, and in their (only) mind, it's not selfish at all, since it considers the happiness of the immune first and foremost. It does not, consider, that the immune might prefer staying themselves over joining them EVEN if they know 100% that they'd really be happier if they joined.
So they consider their happiness (let's say it's true they really feel happier once joined), but they don't consider their will, or their desires as important, which obviously is a big issue when we think about what love is. It's more than just wanting someone to be happy. Respecting their individuality, their will and desires, is part of that love (ideally at least...)
I think there's a major mismatch there, yeah

Well elaborated.

Guest · #5618

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but they'll never sing it out of wanting to again, because there is no need and any reason to would be performance. Knowledge is seperate to feeling and passion. And this is a parallel to humans conquering each other isn't it? like colonisation, enforced assimilation and absorption, so you don't have seperate identity anymore
But don't they already feel the passion? It's just internal and at a constant high.
It doesn't matter though because the entire hive is destined for annihilation. That culture, along with all other human understanding will be wiped out, which the hive knows. The hive is bringing about human extinction and they don't care.
Just like climate change. Kidding, I'm just saying shit, lol

I kinda laughed when Manousos told the native Americans that they stole everything since that's what European colonizers did to their ancestors. Human hypocrisy.

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Guest · #5620

So happy we got them as Stursia.

Guest · #5621

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Today, 11:16

So happy we got them as Stursia.

Ok

Guest · #5622

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Today, 10:47

Translation can be such a nuanced thing! He did say "su chica"

Which in Spain, for example, is a very common & friendly way of saying "your girlfriend" which some people prefer even for long term committed relationships

But in South America, it really varies as I understand it? Less common, but it can mean anything from "girlfriend" to "that girl you are seeing, but I don't actually know if it is official or anything so I'm politely hedging." Someone from Colombia would definitely know better in this context.

Guest · #5623

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So happy we got them as Stursia.
Ok

Guest · #5624

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Today, 11:16

So happy we got them as Stursia.

Me too, anon! What a joy! And on a personal level, what a discovery for me!
Both are so different from the women I usually feel attracted to, and yet I find them both super attractive!
I can't wait to see what they cook for them individually and together in future seasons!!

Guest · #5625

I really hope the show will leave behind those constantly angry dudebros that commenting under every article, every tweet. I had no idea they are so obessed with it. Now that they expressed how much they hate it, and now that the show established itself, I hope they will forget about it and move on.

Because there is criticisms (whether I agree with it or not is irrelevant here) and there is ....THAT.

Guest · #5626

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Today, 11:43
I really hope the show will leave behind those constantly angry dudebros that commenting under every article, every tweet. I had no idea they are so obessed with it. Now that they expressed how much they hate it, and now that the show established itself, I hope they will forget about it and move on.

Because there is criticisms (whether I agree with it or not is irrelevant here) and there is ....THAT.

Not sure, just look at this thread.

Guest · #5627

I love the way they look at each other before separating, I can’t help it. You don’t have to tell me it means nothing, by the way. We will find out once the show is over

Guest · #5628

"We talk in the casa" was so funny

Guest · #5629

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Today, 12:32

I love the way they look at each other before separating, I can’t help it. You don’t have to tell me it means nothing, by the way. We will find out once the show is over

Ok Carol

Guest · #5630

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I love the way they look at each other before separating, I can’t help it. You don’t have to tell me it means nothing, by the way. We will find out once the show is over
Ok Carol

So what if I choose to have hope? Does it really bother some of you so much?

Guest · #5631

I think in s2 they’ll try and unhive zosia……her and carol are just too important to the story. I can’t see karolina not being an important part of carols arc. I also think the only way carol survives is staying close with manuosos….they need each other to have any chance of fighting this nhi cult.

Guest · #5632

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Today, 12:07

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Today, 11:43
I really hope the show will leave behind those constantly angry dudebros that commenting under every article, every tweet. I had no idea they are so obessed with it. Now that they expressed how much they hate it, and now that the show established itself, I hope they will forget about it and move on.

Because there is criticisms (whether I agree with it or not is irrelevant here) and there is ....THAT.
Not sure, just look at this thread.

DA, i dun get people - if the show is shit to you, you're disappointed etc go watch something else

because this season's writing and pace has been consistent, viewers know by now if they are a fan or not. There's no point "arguing" with each other, as no one is going to change the other's opinion

Guest · #5633

You’re a sad person with a sad life. I am sorry for you, truly. When your only goal is tormenting others, making sure something they enjoy turns completely sour.

With total disregard of what this show or pairing could mean to them. Just choosing to bully them because they want to feel content and have hope. I would run away into the arms of the hive if you were my only alternative.

Guest · #5634

I do think the show is at its absolute BEST when the hive is just blatantly ghoulish and alien and weird. Playing casino with Diabaté. Eating dead people. Leaving the poor baby goat behind. It's pitch perfect and chilling.

The parts that always feel less strong to me were anything trying to go for "well if it weren't for them being doomed to die of starvation and trying to drag everyone down with them, maybe they aren't so bad" -- only because the first aspect is SO sharply drawn and visceral and well done, I don't know if the equivocation stood a chance at balancing the scales against it.

But maybe they did really achieve what they were looking for... the ambiguity and strain of it all, because the experience of the show seems to completely come down to how those types of scenes impacted us and how they came off to us.

Guest · #5635

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Today, 12:55
I think in s2 they’ll try and unhive zosia……her and carol are just too important to the story. I can’t see karolina not being an important part of carols arc. I also think the only way carol survives is staying close with manuosos….they need each other to have any chance of fighting this nhi cult.

Well, the Wycaro book fan wanted to know when Raban would return (unhived Zosia with no memories likely) and Carol said it's page 218 which may be season 2 and the 18th episode (season 2 finale?). It is not farfetched but I understand that people do not want to wait so long and without confidence.

Guest · #5636

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I think in s2 they’ll try and unhive zosia……her and carol are just too important to the story. I can’t see karolina not being an important part of carols arc. I also think the only way carol survives is staying close with manuosos….they need each other to have any chance of fighting this nhi cult.
Well, the Wycaro book fan wanted to know when Raban would return (unhived Zosia with no memories likely) and Carol said it's page 218 which may be season 2 and the 18th episode (season 2 finale?). It is not farfetched but I understand that people do not want to wait so long and without confidence.

Op. The moment carol and manu crack the code on whether it’s possible it’s 100% going to go in that direction. Karolina is a great actress btw, apparently she had helicopter lessons on top of learning to park a full blown plane. What a woman….

Guest · #5637

Spending all of Christmas day doing your pathetic loser blogging and stupid tumblr spam on this thread is crazy work.

Guest1212 · #5638

The layers and complexity in this show are amazing. The acting craft is next level.
Here the actors discuss Episode 9. Putting the interview under spoilers only to not dominate scrolling loading.
Insightful.
With all the conversations started and SM posts, I do like to come back to what the cast and crew say…

Guest · #5639

One of the things I excepted and was completely wrong about, and I think is important: Manousos did not hate Carol. Yeah, they bickered and argued. But he still 100% believed she was on his team, just not on the same page about the particulars.

In the show universe, he is the biggest anti-hive stickler. And knows EVERYTHING about Carol and her relationship with them. He asked detailed and specific questions. But even after learning all that, after she shoved him in a trunk, he was still like "well ok let's get to work!"

If this super rigid guy can understand what Carol was going through and still believe she's a fundamentally good person, just led astray, I think we can assume that audience is meant to get that impression too.

Guest · #5640

Guest1212 wrote: ↑
Today, 14:00
The layers and complexity in this show are amazing. The acting craft is next level.
Here the actors discuss Episode 9. Putting the interview under spoilers only to not dominate scrolling loading.
Insightful.
With all the conversations started and SM posts, I do like to come back to what the cast and crew say…

I am so sad we didn’t get Rhea and Karolina together discussing the last two eps. I would really like to see how they respond to and work with each other’s interpretations.

Guest · #5641

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Guest1212 wrote: ↑
Today, 14:00
The layers and complexity in this show are amazing. The acting craft is next level.
Here the actors discuss Episode 9. Putting the interview under spoilers only to not dominate scrolling loading.
Insightful.
With all the conversations started and SM posts, I do like to come back to what the cast and crew say…

I am so sad we didn’t get Rhea and Karolina together discussing the last two eps. I would really like to see how they respond to and work with each other’s interpretations.

x2… I don’t understand their pairing choices the fuck. For the most important stursia eps we didn’t her them together

Guest · #5642

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Guest1212 wrote: ↑
Today, 14:00
The layers and complexity in this show are amazing. The acting craft is next level.
Here the actors discuss Episode 9. Putting the interview under spoilers only to not dominate scrolling loading.
Insightful.
With all the conversations started and SM posts, I do like to come back to what the cast and crew say…

I am so sad we didn’t get Rhea and Karolina together discussing the last two eps. I would really like to see how they respond to and work with each other’s interpretations.
x2… I don’t understand their pairing choices the fuck. For the most important stursia eps we didn’t her them together

Makes me worried we won’t get any photoshoot or promo with them at all, we’re probably getting Carol & Manousos on and off the screen.

Bizarre choice in relation to episodes 8 and 9 at the very least.

Guest · #5643

DA, i'm glad they didn't go the double agent path. That feels like fan fic

ep 8 both Carol and Zosia were on the charm offensive and playing each other, the Hive admitted to knowing all along Carol hadn't given up and Zosia had been distracting Carol
And even if Carol went double agent, that will be a very short lived, as it's easy for the Hive to call her bluff when she won't give them access to her body's stem cells